The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers
Topics american revolution
, first amendment
This documentary confronts the little known beliefs of America's founders:
Run time 179 minutes 30 secondsProducer Chris PintoAudio/Visual sound
- What did the founders believe about Jesus Christ?
- Christianity begins with faith in the Person of Christ Himself: What did the founders think of Him?
- What did they think of the Gospel? Were they fighting for Christianity, or against it?
- Included in this DVD: the faith of Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, George Washington, and much more
February 13, 2012
A very good expose of Barton's deceptions
There are only a very few minor errors in this film of no importance. Pinto goes systematically over the statements of the Founding Fathers, AND the statements of the clergymen who knew Washington, and declared there was no reason to believe he was a Christian. (Regarding Washington, he apparently got attracted by Roman Catholicism, and on his deathbed was baptized a Catholic, which means he would have had to profess all the doctrines he had belittled, since the core faith of RC and protestantism is the same and repudiate masonry. There is no evidence anyone else among them changed.)
Barton takes some statements they made and uses them out of context. One howler is when he quotes a letter about how no government or sacrament can be done without The Holy Ghost, and says this proves the Unitarian author believed in The Holy Ghost, when these statements were part of a description of OTHERS' beliefs which were being denounced as impostures by the writer!
Barton knows what he is doing, and he is a liar, trying to turn Christianity in to a political venture.
Thomas Paine was secretly a venomous atheist while spearheading the American Revolution, and came out about it later. Some Founding Fathers were close friends of his and could not have been ignorant of it. Jefferson expressed hatred and all the major ones expressed at best disdain for Christianity as anything but a socially helpful system of morals, and the best among fantasies called religions. The divinity of Christ, the Virgin Birth, miracles, etc. are all denied.
Reason supposedly is to rule, if reason tells us that virgins don't get pregnant, then Jesus wasn't born of a virgin. And so forth.
Actually, if you are arguing that God Who made everything incl. natural laws and therefore is above them is involved, then it stands to reason that anything is possible.
As for the accusation that the Virgin Birth presupposed that God entered into debauchery with a virgin espoused to another, this is NOT what The Bible claims happened. Nowhere does it imply God had sex with The Virgin Mary. Indeed, if that had happened she wouldn't have been a virgin so there wouldn't have been a virgin birth!
Apeism is Stupid
December 26, 2011
The Video is Deceptive...
Americans did NOT think people like George Washington thought about the Holy Bible like Thomas Paine did... thinking that the Holy Bible was some kind of Satanic writing. When Thomas Paine died, there were ONLY 9 people whom attended his funeral, because of Paine's attacks on the Holy Bible from his book (Age of Reason). Americans have always thought highly of George Washington and other Founding Fathers.
Thomas Paine's body was dug up in America, and not allowed to be buried on American soil, and he was not allowed to be buried in Great Britain. David Barton is correct about most of America's Founding Fathers being Christians. America's Founding Fathers was not apart of some anti-Christian scheme or plot.
Another thing... Thomas Paine was NOT a Founding Father. He was nothing more than a journalist or pamphlet writer, and had nothing to do with making law or signing any of America's Founding documents. If Thomas Paine was considered to be a Founding Father, then so should Daniel Boone, and many others.
The purpose of this video doesn't seem to be pro-Bible, coming from a Christian, but pro-Thomas Paine, coming from an atheist. In the very least, the author is trying to condemn all Founding Fathers, only because Thomas Paine was anti-Bible and was associated with some of them. "Guilty by association" is a very poor reason to condemn all of 3America's Founding Fathers. "We hold these truths to be self-evident" was also used wrong in the video, trying to deceive the viewer for what it actually means, and they should have read the entire sentence!
This video also attacks the Founding Fathers by what 2 or 3 men believed. Yes, Thomas Jefferson was a heretic, because of his denying of the miracles by Jesus Christ, and yes, Thomas Paine was a deist whom denied the Bible as a whole. To attack the beliefs of all Founding Fathers because of 2 or 3 people whom was associated with them is ridiculous.
This video isn't much different than the deceitful productions by The National Geographic Channel, that lies about Christianity and the Holy Bible.
Many of the quotes in this video had no references, so they can be checked out. Empty words are just empty words, without references or proof.
While Benjamin Franklin may have been a deist, but he considered the Holy Bible good for society.
The Treaty of Tripoli was dealing with Muslims whom had kidnapped Americans, whom were also wanting a ransom for their hostages. So, the Treaty of Tripoli more than likely said, America wasn't founded as a Christian nation, so America's leaders would appease the Muslims into releasing the American hostages without harm.
I'm done talking about this deceptive video. While there are some truths in this video, there appears to be many more accusations that should be rejected as hearsay and opinion.